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(POST 1) Hengu
Lets talk about the re-in statement of the Son of Heaven and his mandate. If he assumes the role of a constitutional monarch, he will then not create legislation but protect the legislature. My Question then is, hypothetically will he protect the legislature of say for instance the current Communist Party, and risk international criticism as a Communist Public Relations exercise? Will he intervene in human rights violations and criticize the state even if it is the elected choice of the people? I just don’t see the Son of Heaven re-instated under the current Chinese political dispensation, unless if he is restricted to a ceremonial position with a cultural mandate to protect and administer the Imperial Monuments of China. If he needs to be reinstated under a different dispensation, who ever the Emperor is going to be ‘Qing or Han’, he needs to take an active political stance and give voice to his peoples concerns and be involved in humanitarian relief efforts whenever natural disasters strike China and thereby give credibility to his claim and publication to his cause, at home and abroad. I don’t think he should take political sides but I do feel that the Emperor needs to believe in his mandate, more than anyone else, and take it to the people. It should be spread like a great fire, irrespective of the consequences. Nelson Mandela spend many years in prison for his peoples’ cause. If the Emperor truly feels such a strong conviction he must take action and win the hearts of his people.
about 7 months ago
(POST 2) Choy
To be viable and acceptable to the CCP, an Emperor must remain totally apolitical and only participate in representative and cultural events or at most an exemplar of moral virtue. It is correct, your view that the Son of Heaven can only be re-instated under the current Chinese political dispensation if restricted to a ceremonial position with only a cultural mandate to protect and administer the Imperial Monuments of China.
As of now, and likely several generations later, the case for constitutional Monarchy will not be permitted and not succeed IF the proposed Emperor or ICCR or other supporters show any propensity to interfere with the CCP’s authority. He would also before ascension, likely be under oath not to undertake such actions. Please also note, there will be no more talk of great fires, this is most counter-productive to the cause of Constitutional Monarchy and highly offensive to the CCP. Tone and nuance of language must take prevailing considerations into account if conversations are to be productive.
The Emperor will indeed be involved in humanitarian relief efforts whenever natural disasters strike China as most monarchs do. But giving voice to his people’s concerns will be at most, via private and personal edict to top CCP officials in an appropriate apolitical stance. Even when constitutional monarchy is endorsed by CCP, the Emperor’s duty, will only be to preserve the hearts of his people not win them, regardless of his personal conviction until generational shifts in thought paradigms within the CCP and it’s voter base occur.
As mentioned before, this group is not entertaining considerations of a 100% pureblood ethnic Mongol Yuan Khan or an 100% pureblood ethnic Manchu Qing Bannerman Chieftain, ONLY a 100% pureblood ethnic Han Chinese Emperor of the 6 Chinese Dynastic Clans will be suitable. ICCR does however advocate that a Mongol Khan and Qing Bannerman Chieftain be installed as representative vassal Royals in the Imperial Chinese Court in the appropriate provinces of Inner Mongolia and Manchuria.
about 7 months ago
(POST 3) Hengu
Indeed I see where you are going. I am pleased with your rational and logical approach to this issue you are clearly a man of wisdom and have given the matter much thought. I am not Chinese so I can not pretend to understand the complexity of the inter-cultural differences but I am a pragmatist and understand that if the Emperor is to be re-instated that such a move will need the endorsement of the majority of the population. The issue is sensitive and the process needs to be inclusive.
I have not meant anything derogatory with my reference to fires hehehe I was speaking hypothetically. I have great respect for the CCP and concur that, dialogue would be the only viable way. Violence and political unrest is certainly not an option, the Son of Heaven should be above such things. As I said those references where purely hypothetical and my apologies if they offended unintentionally.
I think a good way of handling the ‘mandate of heaven’ issue would be for the emperor to hand his seal to every newly elected head of the party, signifying that the party is entrusted with the duty to carry out the mandate, to protect the collective body of tradition and culture and to build on that. In this way the party (symbolically) has the trust of the Emperor (who represents the collective history and achievements of ancient China and its people) while at the same time the party officially recognizes the foundation laid by a proud and glorious history.
The Romans had a saying: ‘per praeteritum ad futurum’ which translates to: ‘through the past to the future.’ and Confucius said “Study the past and it will define the future.”
I just love this topic and hope with a burning desire to see a real restoration of such a beautiful History and Culture.
about 7 months ago
(POST 4) Choy
It is an issue of preservation of the spiritual purity and cultural diversity of the world that most Monarchists are driven by, and if your interests are purely along those lines and non-expansionary in nature, differences in ethnicity will make no difference (except for claimants of titles), for we would be working for the same purposes then.
How does the Royal Prussian House of Willemse? Has it formal ties to it’s suzerain, the Imperial Romanovs? How goes the Tsarist Revival in Russia? Well wishes for restoration of the Tsar and it’s vassal Royals too. Glad to have met you though and best of wishes to the PEACEFUL establishment of the vassal Royal House of Aisin Gioro via HRH Aisin Gioro Hengzhen in Manchuria as well.
Keep in touch.
about 6 months ago
(POST 5) Longzi
Que ça soit un descendant de la dernière dynastie chinoise ou un autre, peu importe, du moment qu’il est un homme de vertu et qu’il comprend en quoi consiste un Empereur (ce qui n’est pas le lot du commun des mortels). De toute façon, tous les chinois sont liés à l’Empereur Jaune, ils en sont les enfants.
Mais installé une monarchie constitutionnelle telle que l’on peut la voir au Japon ne servirait à rien, car il n’a aucun pouvoir en tant que chef d’état, alors que le propre de l’Empereur de Chine est la suprématie, en tant que Fils du Ciel. Il lui faut donc un minimum d’autorité.
Cependant, dans les faits, on peut considérer que le Président Chinois, ayant le Mandat du Ciel en sa possession, est dans les faits l’actuel Empereur de Chine. Après tout, son pouvoir est absolu, même s’il est limité dans la théorie. La preuve en est que le peuple a été envoyé à la mort par ce que Mao Zedong s’était trompé dans ses théories agricoles et industrielles. Mais spirituellement parlant, l’Empereur doit rendre un culte au Ciel et à la Terre, ce qui est vital pour la bonne marche de l’univers (selon les anciens), cette condition n’est pas remplie par le Président Chinois. Pas plus que le respect des traditions et des droits de l’homme… Même si ça vient tout doucement… apparemment.
Restaurer l’Empereur de Chine… on ne peut pas faire autrement. Cependant, je ne ferais pas le choix, pour ma part, des descendants de Puyi. Tant qu’à faire, un Han ou un Tang serait le meilleur choix, si on doit se fier uniquement au nom.
about 6 months ago
(POST 6) Choy
Here’s an approximate translate of Longzi Tran-Huu wrote :
Whether it’s a descendant of the last Chinese dynasty or another, regardless of the time he is a man of virtue and he understands what a Emperor (which is not the lot of ordinary ). Anyway, all Chinese are related to the Yellow Emperor, they are children.
But installed a constitutional monarchy as we can see in Japan would be pointless because it has no power as head of state, while the characteristic of the Emperor of China’s supremacy in as Son of Heaven. It is therefore a minimum of authority.
However, in practice, we can consider that the Chinese President, with the Mandate of Heaven in his possession, is in fact the current Emperor of China. After all, his power is absolute, even if limited in theory. The proof is that the people were sent to death by what Mao Zedong had erred in its agricultural and industrial theories. But spiritually speaking, the Emperor is to worship Heaven and Earth, which is vital for the proper functioning of the universe (according to the former), this condition is not fulfilled by the Chinese President. Just as respect for tradition and human rights … Even if it comes slowly … apparently.
Restore the Emperor of China … can not do otherwise. However, I would not choose for my part, descendants of Puyi. As well as do a Han or Tang would be the best choice, if we must rely solely on the name.
Reply to Mr.Longzi :
Some helpfully pertinent viewpoints are brought up here. Yes it certainly is a cultural matter for the Temple of Heaven has not been active for too long. Regards the figure head issue, the less politically linked, the better. The current political structure could do with further separation of powers to better preserve the prestige of the Head of State.
It is however not true in practice though, that we can consider that the Chinese President, the current Emperor of China. The President’s is a bureaucrat by nature, his reputation can be afflicted with political errors made by his lessers, he cannot not directly claim the Ruler’s representation within the “5 Confucian Relationships”, he may not be succeeded by his children without being accused of nepotism, and by that a President is mere shadow of what a Constitutional Monarch could represent to the China, though some bureaucrats have indeed performed beyond expectations and deserve the fullest respect of the citizens of the world. With these caveats upon the President, given the limited Primogeniture a President can claim, the Mandate of Heaven in not truly represented by the President of China as of now.
Do comment and counter if any thing needs to be pointed out, the more angles covered, the better we may present our petition at future CPPCCs. In either case, do signal your interest in formation of a Vietnamese Chapter, we will communicate the necessary to you on how to, all Chinese communities worldwide are welcome to participate in the ICCR’s movement towards a Constitutional Monarch in China.
about 6 months ago
(POST 7) Lonzi
Longzi Monsieur Choy Sl, je suis désolé que vous ayez eut à me traduire en anglais. Je n’ai d’ailleurs pas un très bon niveau, mais j’avais dans l’idée de traduire par la suite. Je vous remercie toutefois pour vôtre bienveillance. Aussi, puisque vous semblez mieux connaître le français que moi l’anglais, c’est dans cette langue qui est mienne que je vous répondrais (tout en essayant de traduire bien maladroitement, aussi, je compte sur vous pour me rattraper en cas d’erreur transformant le sens original du texte).
A propos des différences entre l’Empereur et le Président, vous avez raison, bien entendu. Mais au final, cela revient au même. Le Président règne en absolutiste et il a tous les pouvoirs nécessaires pour faire ce qu’il veut de son pays. La Chine est commandée par un parti unique, aussi le Président peut choisir son successeur et manipuler l’opinion publique pour obtenir son soutien, puisqu’il dirige le Parti Unique. Tout comme un Empereur, il n’a pas besoin de posséder tout le pays (c’est beaucoup pour un seul homme, ou même un demi-dieu), mais il peut en faire ce qu’il veut.
Par exemple, les expulsions forcées, les interventions sur la place sacrée de Tian’an men (où l’état n’a pas le droit d’intervenir, en théorie) ou encore les scandales d’enlèvements et trafics d’enfants, sur lesquels la police refuse d’enquêter bien souvent. Tout cela découle de la volonté du Président.
Pour moi, le Président est comme un Empereur qui est sur le pont de perdre le Mandat du Ciel (et le PC Chinois est comme sa cour et sa dynastie). De toute façon, de nos jours encore, la Chine s’appelle elle-même l’Empire du Milieu et la dessinatrice Feimo est une nostalgique notoire de l’Empire Tang. Un peu hypocrite et ironique, non ? Un Empereur mettrait de l’ordre dans tout ça, et il n’y a aucune raison pour laisser la Chine indéfiniment avec le statut de République, sous le prétexte que c’est un phénomène de mode international (il ne faut pas se leurrer, république ou non, l’Etat peut être aussi bienveillant que tyrannique, et la plupart des gouvernements modernes auraient des choses à apprendre de la part d’un sage comme Confucius).
Mao lui-même l’a dit : “Quand un Phénomène atteint sa plénitude, il se renverse en son contraire” (c’était au moment de “couper les mauvaises herbes”, c’est à dire les opposants au régime, si je me souviens bien). Cela s’applique aussi au régime communiste, qui a atteint le paroxysme de la tyrannie aveugle et brutale. C’est pourquoi, maintenant il se libéralise et s’adoucit un peu, mais reste très autoritaire, et pas très protecteur vis à vis de la population.
Mister Choy Sl, I’m sorry you have to translate my text in english. I’m not verry good in english, but I wanted translate my text
About differences between Emperor and President of China, you are right, of course. But, finaly, it’s the same. President have all power who he need for rule all the land as he’s own will. China is rule by only one faction, so the President, whose rule this faction, can choose his successor and manipulate people for choose his successor. Like the Emperor, he don’t need possess all the land, but he can do what he want with it.
For exemple, deporting people and destroy their home ; military and political intervention on Tian’an men, kidnapping of children, about chinses police refuse to carry out investigations, and many others. All these exemples are from the President’s will and leaders of communism (who are like his Imperial Court).
For me, Chinese President it’s like an Emperor who nearly lost the Mandate of Heaven. Hu Jin Tao or Mao Zedong are nof very different of the Empress Wu Zetian.
Mao Zedong said : “When phenomenon is fullness, it’s become his own contrary.” For the Comunism it’s the same thing, it arrive to the fullness of blindness brutality and tyranny. But now, he become more gentle. Just a little more.
about 6 months ago
(POST 8) Choy
” A president has all power who he need for rule all the land as he’s own will. “
True to a point. But this ‘direct method’ is Western in nature, hardly represents the psyche of the East Asian, and to a degree, also the Central Asian nature. We need a subtler (also Humanistic) force behind the Bureaucrat, WITH the missing subtle elements of Imperial power as earlier described. A bridge between the Earthly and Celestial as it were.
Wu Zetian is a good analogy to a degree but a warning as well. She most certainly did not hold the mandate of heaven. Weak willed Emperor Taizong was the last holder of the Mandate of Heaven . . . there should have been a strongly upheld Court Prohibition for new Emperors to take on concubines of former Emperors. This ethically questionable and very unhealthy situation likely offended some principled deity and caused the fall of the Tang Dynasty.
Woman would be a virtuous and intelligent wives. Men would shoulder the heavy responsibilities of his family, his clan and his country. But when the Emperor’s responsibility is subsumed by a woman or in contemporary China’s case, a Bureaucrat, the Mandate of Heaven would be have no holder in effect. An Emperor is far less involved in mundane matters and is far much more than a President. Our Taoist Supreme Grandmasters of various sects, hearing and directing the spirit of the people, may not come under the auspices of a President, only an Emperor.
Back to the issue at hand though. A revival movement for an Imperial Chinese Court awaits the worthy to support it’s revival . . . do message me on this should you feel the call to take upon this lifelong historical task.
about 6 months ago
(POST 9) Choy
To a post by : Longzi Tran-Huu (Posted on Wall March 17th 2010)
“”" One detail : “A hereditary monarch is likely to be a more competent head-of-state than is an elected president, because the former has been prepared, from childhood, to serve as such.”
I’m agree with this, but maybe a dynasty is not a good idea for China. I prefer Shun and Yao’s method, because nepotism is an horrible temptation for political men and a head-of-state. “”" by Longzi
ICCR View :
The system we propose is a collective of Imperial Houses which will best represent the Imperial Houses of all ages since Shun and Yao. Except as a figurehead with ceremonial and spiritual duties, privileges will be balanced with the below suggested limitations which specifically address nepotism and clearly define the duties of all Heads and Courtiers of the Imperial Chinese Court :
1) Non-participation of any grade of individual Noble and above, in military, political, big business and even charitable spheres. Participation in any other lower spheres are incongruous with the duties associated with Mandate of Heaven.
2) Imperial and Royal families will not be allowed to hold or use any personal assets and or will have their finances handled by an assigned entourage by Imperial Chinese Court Agency when traveling. The nature of asset viewed from those tied to the divine means nothing and exchange between Sovereigns and the mundane world must reflect this divinity.
3) Lodging throughout various restored Estates and Palaces in China, meals of appropriate quality for their stature will always be available.
4) Granting of private audiences and private travel in a non-official capacity under oversight of the Imperial Chinese Court Agency.
about 6 months ago
(POST 10) Longzi
1) The first condition clearly limit nepotism, but I’m not totaly agree espacialy about military and charitable spheres. We don’t know what will be exactly the future and really skills of imperial family members. For exemple, the prince-marshal of Trân dynasty of Vietnam, who was a genius and an amazing military leader.With his intervention in the high military and political spheres, the chinese Emperor, Qoubilai Khan, feiled to conquer Vietnam.
In the future, maybe a noble will born with amazing skills in a domain forbidden to him by these conditions. Actualy, people can choose their job. It will be damage to limit to scientist craft the Imperial family members, like in Japan.
I have another exemple. The Emperor Duy Tan (Prince Vinh San) of Vietnam, was a man really dignified to be the Son of Heaven. When he was a child, he was give the half of his private income of “piastre” (the money of this time) to the poor of the capital. Never a head-of-state sacrifice his part of greed as many as our beloved Emperor Duy Tan. It’s because he hadn’t any part of greed in himself. He just was a child. He had the generous and noble heart of Dishun and I think he conserved it when he become a man. And His Majesty Akihito of Japan give many of the Imperial family’s money to association too.
So, I think Imperial family’s members must conserve the right to give their money to charitable associations, discretly, for it don’t be a mod effect and a political interest whose not compatible with duties from Mandate of Heaven. But maybe, with an association specialy create for distribute donations of the Imperial Family and Imperial Court, could be a good mix whose can limit nepotism.
about 6 months ago
(POST 11) Choy
Choy Patronage must be tempered with a sense of propriety which is based on structure and prevention of conflict of interest as well. I’ll try not to sound like a modern Keeper of Rites, but I will describe abit of a very strict version of application to enhance the viability of an Imperial Chinese Court Revival here.
The military sphere prohibition is a nod of assent to the Confucian adage, “No good man becomes a soldier; you don’t use good iron to make nails.” Though military and tactical training, martial arts, stints in various units could be part of a young noble or young prince’s education, direct participation unless anonymous (new set of problems), might not be too healthy as it creates a sense of disparity among other career militarymen that could affect their performace for years to come. The privileged life a noble or princely participant in an ordinary unit will depart for after a short stint in service will certainly be demotivational to some soldiers and definately at the expense of sense of solidarity and uniformity any military strives for. Think deeply on this a moment. Carried forth to the modern world, this could result in a subtle form of Junta based on Court influence ! Iron and Jade do not mix ! Remember, while class and caste exist, Mankind’s equality is undeniable.
The charitable sphere prohibition suggested is to encourage philanthropy by not eclipsing the private sphere or private individual’s donations with Imperial patronage and prestige, for inevitably donations by the Court will be focused upon over all other donations, it is society’s nature and such counter-intuitive effects must not be neglected.
Rather, philanthrophy could encouraged by awarded with titles instead. The Court however should not be involved in handing over cheques or such actions. For a Sovereign cannot ethically foster love of nation by his distribution of wealth but rather through his presence fostering charity among the wealthy. Rather circumspect but the only entirely suitable way. Money is coarse in nature, and a divine Sovereign, is best not to be directly associated with material rewards, even in charity.
Carried too far, even sports associations end up being headed by princes and sportsmen or entertainers granted titles ! Care must be taken not to degrade the Imperial or Royal Court institution with laxity towards supposedly minor details as these. It is the centuries of neglect on such aspects (like marrying commoners, accepting foreign wives or worse, husbands) that dilute the Imperial institution and make it open to criticism.
I for one have seen first hand how this form of direct patronage has affected the philanthropy scene in another nation with Constitutional Monarchy, and would like to prevent the culture of patronage which puts many philanthropists off because those who are motivated by recognition will find that the presence of the Court makes this difficult for private donors to fully benefit from !
Frankly, even in academic institutions or special interest associations, presence of nobility and princes could also be considered conflict of interest situations as well, unless the nobleman or prince in question is directly involved and exceptional in the field in question. Otherwise they would be better off not competing with the influence of career academics or special interest moguls. At best, the Court may signaling their approval/involvement/interest by dispensation of titles to the Heads of such institutions only !
Exceptions can be made of course, but the more exceptions to the rule, the less structured and disciplined a nation becomes, until finally when Court is involved in all aspects of society, redundancy sets in, and that is something far too many monarchs in the past have indulged – the disenfranchisement of specific segments of society, and endangerment of the Court institution with Commonality.
Any thoughts on the above?
about 6 months ago
(POST 12) Longzi
“Pendant longtemps, j’ai associé vôtre nom au Tonnerre. C’est un grand honneur de vous rencontrer enfin.” Liu Bei, s’adressant à “Sourcils Blancs”.
Vous avez raison, bien sur, et vos mesures de précautions permettent de préserver le prestige impérial et la stature divine de l’Empereur. Toutefois, j’estime qu’un bon Empereur doit être au contact de son peuple et de ses soucis. C’est pourquoi lors des changements de dynasties, le Fils du Ciel n’apparaissait pas à la Cour, mais parmi des petits nobles où des familles de guerriers.
Mais, en tant que stratège militaire et artiste martial, j’affirme sans crainte ni doute que c’est à la fois un droit et un devoir pour tous de défendre sa nation par la force des armes s’il le faut ! Confucius lui-même disait que les armes sont le pion du vulgaire siao-jen, pas celui de l’homme de vertu, le junzi. Mais il admettait que la Guerre est le premier recours de l’homme aspirant à la Paix.
Si le Jade et l’Acier ne se mélangent pas, il existe toutefois le Jade Blanc des guerriers, béni par Byakko, le Tigre Blanc. Or, le Tigre Blanc existe aussi sur le drapeau que nous avons érigés en avatar pour ce groupe !
Dans d’autres pays où il y a une monarchie constitutionnelle, il y a aussi des princes et des nobles militaires, la Grande-Bretagne par exemple, et cela marche très bien. En outre, c’est une vérité historique : la noblesse militaire est souvent moins hypocrite et diletante que l’aristocratie composée de courtisans. De plus, l’armée est un devoir historique de la noblesse : nous aurons à cet égard une pensée pour Sun Jian ou Cao Cao, voire pour Liu Bei, l’oncle de l’Empereur, et par conséquent un Prince, même s’il était déchu, tout comme moi.
C’est pourquoi je demande que la carrière militaire ne soit pas complètement fermée aux membres de la famille impériale.
“For many years, I associated your name with thunder. It’s a great honor to meet you.” -Liu Bei to “White Eyebrow”.
You’re right of course, your precautions are worth for preserve the Imperial Prestige. But a good Emperor must be in contact with his people and their anxiety. That’s why, in Past, at change of dynasty, the new Son of Heaven didn’t from Iperial Court, but appears in ordinary people or nobles and warriors’ family. But at military strategist and martial artist, I think it’s the right and dutie for a man to protect his land and country, with weapons if he have no choice ! Confucius said army and weapons are pawns of the lesser men, of siao jen and never the pawns of Junzi, Gentlemen. But he admit the War is the first pawn for a man who aspire to Peace.
Jade and iron don’t mix. But the imperial white jade of Byakko, the White Tiger, exist. And Byakko is in our avatar, the flag of our group, the Imperial Flag !
In another monarchs countries like Great-Bretain, they are princes and military nobles too and it’s not a problem. Army is an historical duty for nobles ! And a military noble is less hypocrtical than a noble courtier, it’s an historical truth ! Army his an historical Duty for men with nobility tier !
That’s why I request military career not be wompletely close to Imperial Nobles, Princes and future Emperor include. Are you agree, the 33 others members of his group ?
about 6 months ago
(POST 13) Choy
“That’s why, in Past, at change of dynasty, the new Son of Heaven didn’t from Imperial Court, but appears in ordinary people or nobles and warriors’ family.”
Many reasons actually caused downfalls of various dynasties, and alot stemmed from a far too direct approach, such as being involved in politics, economy, having the power to promote or appoint military leaders who were often related, (instead of meritocracy based appointments or promotions) and influencing society to the point, innovation ceased and every citizen looked to the Court for direction instead of directing themselves ! What some may view as contact with the people could be immensely counter productive if the Court tends to omni-presence . . .
“And a military noble is less hypocritical than a noble courtier, it’s an historical truth ! Army his an historical Duty for men with nobility tier !”
Ah, we can’t help the popular ‘hypocritical’ stereotype thrown about to create familiarity but we, at least those who are serious about Imperial revival had better not be amenable to or perpetuate it! If you do order the ICCR Gazette, take a look at page 50 and see if you can appreciate how the Courtier’s ‘weakness’, is not too subtly singled out for reminding to our new courtiers.
“No good man becomes a soldier; you don’t use good iron to make nails.” was mentioned because the military and nobility must retain their individual natures to better ensure separation of powers which in fact will re-assure any anxious citizens. If the Court is all powerful, it will be subject to question on it’s desire to hold so much power. The Court must not be placed in such an ethically indefensible and absolutist tempting position. While the Emperor himself is Supreme Commander of the forces, this again will be symbolic and not direct. This is for Constitutional Monarchy remember?
Confucius had made this point of difference between two distinct castes, so that we could apply it where possible, even if we do not subscribe to it, we musn’t disregard his wisdom ! If noble and military classes were fused together, these individuals would not only be far too busy to properly function in both capacities, and the civilian nature of court and courtier would subsumed by the ‘Iron Nature’ of the military class, to the confusion of society overall towards a more civilised ‘Jade Nature’. Specialization builds strength . . .
Recall my earlier post :
” . . . direct participation unless anonymous (new set of problems), might not be too healthy as it creates a sense of disparity among other career militarymen that could affect their performace for years to come. The privileged life a noble or princely participant in an ordinary unit will depart for after a short stint in service will certainly be demotivational to some soldiers and definitely at the expense of sense of solidarity and uniformity any military strives for.”
Think on this a moment. Carried forth to the modern world, this could result in a form of Junta, based on Court influence. Also any number of nobles could not make up a substantial fighting force in any modern military and would be better off not making the regular military ‘accommodate ‘ them.
Keep a dangerously cavalier attitude from being inculcated in nobles through dealings with those in ‘Iron Ways’, though gentry and even aristocrats could be certainly be promoted from exceptional and long serving within regular ranks of the military instead of dragging the nobility or princes down to the ranks of the ‘Iron Natured’ profession, unless they are particularly inclined to ‘Iron Ways’.
Alas, few are interested or dedicated enough to analyse discuss this issue at length but lets see how the others feel . . . as you replied, it will of course be better decided when more of our existing members choose to participate in this discussion or when active members join up to participate in this conversation to see who has made a better case. Look forward to any responses on this discussion meanwhile.