Emperor of China (Imperial Revival Association)

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OFFICIAL NOTICE BOARD OF THE ICCR :
IMPERIAL CHINESE COURT REGENCY

REVIVAL OF THE FITTEST

To all supporters of the Emperor of China :

This is a Imperial supporters movement for Constitutional Monarchy in China. Restore Emperor’s descendants, restore the Imperial Court’s descendants, yet retain the People’s Republic of China.

Sign on to signal a desire for a living culture and not bygone history. Cultivate Chinese roots via living culture !

We propose to reinstate appropriate descendants of the 6 Dynastic Houses (Qin, Han, Sui, Tang, Song, Ming) in a Ruler’s Collective.

The Head of the Ruler’s Collective will be titled – Emperor. The Emperor will hold this seat for life, after which the next Ruler of another Royal House will take over. This way all Royal Houses will represented – albeit generationally.

If believe you are of direct lineage with the appropriate documents to prove ancestry, or even of suitable stature to claim an ancient title of nobility, Royal or even Imperial line, please contact us for further promotion and recognition internationally. Staunch supporters of the idea of Constitutional Monarchy, and any parties interested in handling promotions in your country may contact us as well.

Any supporters with appropriate connections and interest in diplomatic issues are also most welcome, we are currently seeking well networked representatives internationally to represent this movement as Imperial Representatives at :
- National level (Ambassadors MUST be from Capital cities)
- State level (Consuls can be from any major regional city).

Please maintain contact, and indicate your interest by joining us, and posting on the wall here. Thank you.

Do check back every once in a while for the latest updates.

Long live the Emperor!

March of The Revivalists

Written by Tian Er in 2010, with lyrics by Guo Han.

Since the revival in 2009 this is the official anthem of the Imperial Chinese Court Regency. The lyrics, both in Chinese and transliterated, follow below the sample.

Qilai ! Bu yuan que gui zu de ren men
起来不愿缺贵族的人们
Arise! All who refuse to be without Nobility!

Bã wŏ men de xue rou.
把我们的血肉
Let our flesh and blood,

Zhu cheng wŏ men xĩn de di guo
筑成我们新的帝国
become our new Imperium!

Zhōng hua min zu’ dao le zui jiē huī fù yuán zhuàng
中华民族到了最接恢复原状
As the Chinese nation faces its closest to revival,

Mei ge ren bei po zhe fā chū yǒng héng de hou shēng.
每个人自动发出永恒
All eternally roar.

Qĭlái! Qĭlái! Qĭlái!
起来! 起来! 起来!
Arise! Arise! Arise!

wŏ men wan zhong yi xin,
我们万众一心
Our million hearts as one,

huān yíng méng bāng de yǒu yì, fù jìn
欢迎盟邦的友谊, 附进!
Welcome the friendship of our allys, join on!

huān yíng méng bāng de yǒu yì, fù jìn
欢迎盟邦的友谊, 附进!
Welcome the friendship of our allys, join on!

fù jìn! fù jìn! fù jìn! jìn!
附进! 附进! 附进! 进!
Join on ! Join on ! Join on !

The lyrics are based on Nie Er’s “March of the Volunteers” in hopes of imparting a sense of Imperial confidence rather than the rather military and somewhat embattled original.
歌词是根据田耳的“义勇军进行曲”在传授帝国信任感，而不太偏袒好战或四面楚的气氛。

The score and recording sample will be posted when our musician has completed the demo. This anthem will be sung at all future assemblies if accepted by the majority of members. Please give comments thanks !

General Address : All Advocates of Constitutional Monarchy, members of the Imperial Chinese Court under Regency, all members

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(POST 1) Choy
General Address To All Advocates of Constitutional Monarchy, members of the Imperial Chinese Court under Regency, and members of this group :

(1) Reply to Query
Certainly we cannot be too ambitious at this time, so by no means could anyone consider this movement ‘overtly optimistic’. Misread perhaps? What good is a wealthy Chinese person who does not believe in or take effort for advocacy of Constitutional Monarchy towards restoration of the Imperial Chinese Court or man Chapters in local communities at least representing if not propagating the same? What good is a powerful Chinese politician (necessarily retired so that there is no conflict of interest in joining ICCR occurs) who does not believe in, or lend strength for advocacy of Constitutional Monarchy to restoration of the Imperial Chinese Court? Who does not hold true to Confucian tenets, or does not practice the Taoist faith? Is unaware of what Imperial Year we are in, or that the ethnic Chinese live by a 10 day week with it’s own names for each day? Who builds homes or even housing projects in non-Chinese architectural ‘siheyuan’ form? Therefore we cannot base the Imperial Chinese Court’s viability upon presence of material worth or political power, which are doubtless corrupting influences in one way or another, especially those who do not even represent or attempt to revive or work towards Imperial Chinese form and lifestyle. Yet there certainly is no harm inviting such noticeable persons, though the objectivity of members who value their self worth by wealth or political power could be affected negatively by their presence.

(2) General Classifications of the Castes
The personal choice towards specialisation in attaining, or continuing Plutocracy, the willingness to bow in acquiesance, struggle in indignity to maintain, and wait for years to ascend Political party hierarchies to become part of a network of corruption or service to the citizens, does not typify the true Courtier caste’s sense of pride, independence, and high minded bearing. Thus the Plutocrat and Politician (who is not to be confused with the Mandarin Bureaucrat, though in too many cases the conflict of interest situation where Bureaucrat’s posts have been shamelessly reserved for political party members, – or worse, unethically, nepotistically and horrifiyingly, relatives and children – rather than suitably qualified and dedicated members of the Scholarly caste working within the Bureaucracy) is very far below the true Courtier’s caste. It is evident too that the wealthy or politically powerful, as up to now, have confirmed that no person from either 3 castes :

1) Mercantilist-Plutocrat (focusing on material wealth, which cannot be rightly owned by any person given that we are all members of the human race and sharing the same air on the planet)
2) Mandarin-bureaucrat (who needs to tend the needs of society and deal with persons and banal matters rendering the capacity to exemplify high culture impossible)
3) Politician (only non-corrupt ones, who need top argue and struggle in a most undignified and uncourtly manner on lame racial and, sticky religious issues)
4) Courtier (being revived under ICCR’s system)

; has made any effort towards the restoration of the Imperial Chinese Court ! Their presence would do little but obfuscate the sense of Imperial dignity we attempt to revive, the mentality being too unsuitable for the mindset we seek, something that one grows into but is evidently impossible to achieve under the 3 ‘lesser social moulds’ described above. Men and women of leisure who have lived in a certain insular manner or have graduated from the working masses to do so, willing to sacrifice the same to re-establish a sense of high culture among like minded persons via an Imperial Chinese Court, simply for cultural integrity, to be rallied by a suitable candidate for Emperor (as envisioned in the inclusive proprietary/notarized ICCR form of 6 Imperial and all other notable clans) are the needed. It is no great task, but an undying patience and willingness to commit and dedicate oneself to this task.

(3) Personal Values and the Qualities of the Courtier Caste
A Courtier (aristocrat, nobleman royalty or imperial) must distinguish himself from all three and other mean classes, even as the Mandarin Bureaucrat cannot be a Politician as well in contemporary society, or a Bureaucrat cannot accrue unseemly extremes of wealth and massive family networks in government linked companies without causing conflict of interest and destroying free enterprise and the middle class which make up most of society and actually prevents dangerous and unbalancing monopolies. Wealth or political power paradigms will only create a system of lower/base values and corrupt the Imperial Chinese Court and thus the nature of Imperium ICCR has envisioned. This dichotomy between these 3 and other classes will become increasingly evident as increasingly prominent persons take interest in the revival of the Imperial Chinese Court via Constitutional Monarchy advocacy for China, our judgment must be sound as to how and who, regardless of wealth or formerly held political power or formerly held Mandarin-bureaucratic rank can rightfully lead. Those who repent and concede actions, even relinquish ill gotten wealth that would sully the Imperial Chinese Court by association are most welcome, otherwise no compromise should be made – the neutrality via separation from the treachery and greed of society is something not to be sacrificed.

Courtiers must hold to Individuality and Personal Sovereignty, not servility to wealth or political power. Expectations of this independence in others and to teach them the same is paramount to the noble qualities needed in a Courtier. To develop their own leadership, which is in retrospect an understanding of the value of all persons by their values, not wealth or political power. That would be at least an aspect of criteria/regulation for identification of blue blood natures which may not exist in wealthy or politically astute individuals who have massive capacity for furthering themselves but little interest or capability for a task as revival of the Imperial Chinese Court something which HH the Lord Regent expects, when the CCP manages to hone their understanding to a suitable level of, will be taken over by the appropriate apolitical and non-conflict of interest individuals with no links to government or various (doubtlessly corrupt or corruptible) cliques of bureaucrats that are in formation within the CCP hierarchy itself – even while ironically the final form of the Imperial Chinese Court, after all Subsumptions by challengers had ended, as all Sovereign Courts world wide are, would be strictly based on hiostorical basis and primogeniture that MUST be entirely removed from the public (government) and private (non-government or government linked) spheres to form the 3rd leg of the tripod of a stable and harmonious China, nominally with links to the Judiciary or holding Judicial powers while Judges themselves must be elected by also non-government linked members of Bar Councils rather than given out as political ‘rewards’. Conflict of interest and nepotism are serious issues these days . . .

Numbers, dedication and willingness to participate at a level most suitable for oneself in the manner as caste aware form as described above, is what ICCR entreats, expects, of our courtiers, claimants and nominees of all grades from aristocrat to nobleman to royalty or imperials alike. Does wealth or politics count if this sense of loyalty, unity and cooperation does not exist? Is consumed by being impressed with plutocrats and politicians who create conflict of interest? These are not roles for self-respecting Courtiers. As the more philosophical among us are aware, the wealth of the world rightly belongs to all mankind in equal part, and that there is actually no real need of politicians either should people be honour bound to function at their most altruistic expression. Plutocrats far from Merchants of modest means providing critical amenity and services or goods, instead inspire hatred by sequestration of the wealth of Mankind to no useful end but self glorification and sheer waste where it should be shared with all Mankind. And unlike Mandarin Bureaucrats, politicians tend towards corruption, manipulation of the masses via engineering of bad policy and exploitable loopholes in law so that may solve bad policy or and spend their time navigating treachery or embodying the same. What sense of betterment will these 2 castes contribute, to the Imperial Chinese Court itself? ” Wealth is banal. Politics is dirt. ” Think Confucius, if he was around and see if he would concur with these 2 facts.

(4) The Emperor of the Imperium of Man
Benevolent and wise leadership of Mankind – which a Son-of-Heaven when elected MUST symbolize, cannot be realised without such prohibitions on association. As I digress, let us be reminded again that we are here to ensure. The revival of the cultural edifice of the Imperial Chinese Court via the advocacy for Constitutional Monarchy for China, with men of blue-blooded natures, far removed from the excesses of wealth and the dirt of politics. A Court headed by an Emperor needs loyal (also true to Chinese culture) followers who consider it’s existence central to the well being of a people, even as some may not realise the fact. In the past the ethnic Han man with the most soldiers won the Dragon Throne to be Emperor to hold the Edict of Heaven. Today, the man with the most supporters wins similarly, though the quality of supporters also reflects that winner, hence the concerns and prohibitions as mentioned above. It is higher courtly values, a sense of one’s proper place and dedication we seek in our courtiers. We also further require for historical reasons only those clans who were fetted by past-Emperors, to further qualify/justify nominees to revival of various titles and thrones based on the system described in the ICCR Gazette Vol.1.

(5) The Revival of the Imperial Chinese Court / Portions To Be Left Unchanged
What steps do we and ICCR take? We will expect to meet naysayers or uncooperative or even unfriendly or foreign fith columnist headed movements of all types with less than honourable purposes or links to unfriendly and hegemonistic regimes elsehwhere in the world pushing for revival of Constitutional Monarchy in their dark image, thus ICCR was formed, to counter their corrupting influences and provide a platform for the right kind of courtier. As displayed in ICCR’s Constitution, a democratic system where no one is indispensible and that expects that all positions will be challanged in time to come has been announced to for all who accept the premises of this particular advocacy society network. ICCR policy on the prohibition of active politicians (retired politicians of good repute are welcome though) to hold office in the Council of Regency or Chapter Committees is sacrosanct and cannot be changed, similarly wealth does not win one a position on the Council of Regency either – to preserve the neutrality and respectability of the revived Imperial Chinese Court’s courtiers etc. etc..

Some uniquely unifying aspects of the ICCR must remain unchanged such as the representation of 6 Imperial Houses and other titular posts detailed in the text unless better or more participative enhancements or suggestions backed by logic can be made, towards this we have welcomed ALL to suggest alterations to the original proposals so all can participate and help decide the course this movement takes. Neither CCP itself, nor ICCR alone, or several pretenders claiming primacy over all ethnic Chinese people in the world calling themselves Emperor without popular support, cannot solely decide what form the Imperial Chinese Court will take – but together, perhaps. Though our stand on various matters and forms, we believe in, are the most reasonable and inclusive thus far in retrospect. As a facilitator, this currently malleable ideologue in the form of ICCR is open and welcoming of all, in the manner any individual best feels fit. We will not close our doors to any and look forward to meeting individuals like you who do have an opinion and to having very meaningful conversations with on any points you feel need changing at the ICCR 100 member’s Commemorative Conference proposed to be held at the Forbidden City, please stay in touch meanwhile and keep us informed on any advancements on your own part towards re-establishing the Imperial Court as you deem fit. All collaborations by disparate groups are welcome provided they fall within ICCR’s vision as detailed in the Gazette Vol. 1. (i.e. No splittists, no monotheists etc..)

The actual infrastructure for Constitutional Monarchy is already in place and to be revived as the people who vote for the CCP see fit, thus it is intended that through dedication, sheer numbers, and willingness to cooperate with any groups working for advocacy that comply with our requirements be the method towards advocacy of Constitutional Monarchy. Steps taken are not immediately or suitably communicable as efforts with various organisations or eminent individuals personally known to and the current Lord Regent will take time.

(6) ICCR’s Current Direction and Acceptance of Cooperative Movements
Meanwhile ICCR is content to function as a private order and society, propagating new chapters via dedicated members not by proselytization, but general informative advertisements at most. Evanglism or propaganda of any sort is intrusive and rude, propagation of ICCR’s goals via the ‘mean’ classes (i.e. song and dance etc..) also incongrous to the strictly Confucian / indelibly Taoist heart of Chinese culture we intend. This will be carried out by Chapter/Embassy Heads in accordance with laws of nations, or in nations disallowing this movement – via formal business contracts, until sufficient members are gathered to create a viable voice and thriving network dedicated to the local Courts within communities which are of course linked to the Central Chapter to be revived at the Forbidden City under the auspices of the Peoples Government.

As for how well loved we are by the current crop of CCP leaders representing the Government of the People’s Republic of China, the issue will not be substantial until sufficient membership have been gathered, we will (as currently) however inform them of our current status or latest developments. Everyone of ethnic Chinese ancestry who does believe in Constitutional Monarchy and is willing to dedicate himself and invest fund upon the proposed as detailed in the Gazette Vol. 1 is more important than those who do not wish Constitutional Monarchy – including members within CCP itself whom I hear has been having much difficulty rooting corruption from their midst. Limits on politicians and governmental participation is mentioned in the Gazette Vol.1, do study and suggest where you consider inadequate. All contributions on weak points are welcome.

Our warrior caste, ‘iron’ as they may be, critically fought with weapons to forge empires in the past, now we fight with consensus of every single ethnic Chinese person to determine the continuance of primacy of noble clans within the Constitution of the ICCR. This lobby group is what we will be working with for some time to come, do contribute more opinions and where viable, your personal networks where suitable, and/or prominent persons known to yourself who are willing to collaborate under ICCR’s system and constitution (subject to any suggested amendments with caveats as above mentioned – which are culturally edifying and democratically open) – at the proposed 100 member’s Commemorative Conference.

At any time should the People’s Republic of China (which we have been communicating with) steps in and adopts the most critical tenets/aspects of our system as envisioned, all members, including office bearers must be (on condition that care is taken to retain the prohibitions against a closed or plutocratic or political power based system) willing to step aside for the appropriate continuation of our work if necessary (though being the vanguard of the advocacy movement itself, we current members of ICCR would likely be retained), so that all suitably prominent ethnic Chinese will be able to continue participating via the “System of Subsumptions” or crassly put displacement of titular claimants including the post of Emperor-Elect as well. Any individual is up to this cooperative task should step forth, we must give our fullest support and help better carry out his duties. If not that individual should expect to be challenged via open election and step aside for better persons to replace him if needed. Our job now is to show our dedication to the cause of Constitutional Monarchy advocacy and discussing on the contributed body of material to better formalise the tenets and functionality of the pro-tem Imperial Chinese Court, keep the doors open to all new comers while remaining internally democratic at all time. Until then, as mentioned before, ICCR will be run as a private organisation in ‘Informative Consultation’ with the Government of the People’s Republic of China.

Right now, ICCR is putting it’s advocacy proposal material into a tangible legal form via vetting of materials by prominent persons and lawyers at the current Lord Regent’s expense, we hope you have the patience to await the finalised form, at least purchase and study Gazette Vol.1, contribute some suggestions or articles, give opinions on the form or even contribute to bearing of the costs of legal work. Should you personally wish to run for an office bearer’s position and take on the post’s responsibilities, apply for membership within the OCE, or claim a title of nobility, please step forth formally as a pro-tem member who has signed a notarized affidavit of intent / confidential disclosure agreement (CDA), who has at least studied the form the ICCR takes and in full cognisance of the premises given in the Gazette Vol.1 at the 100 member’s Commemorative Conference, all members would immediately have an opportunity to decide if any challengers or the existing office holders would make more suitable leaders. This of course will not be a comparison of wealth and political power, but rather a gauge of dedication of the person, willingness towards contribution to ICCR’s vision, and how much unity the presence of that individual fosters, and also the charisma he exudes – within the auspices of ICCR’s Constitution, the Constitution itself also being alterable to a degree as well, depending on the outcome at the challenge and the response.

(7) Embassy-Chapter Leadership
As it is quite possible, should our local politicians show no improvement or willingness to end apartheid or unfair policies in so many places worldwide (i.e. UEC – currently fought for by UCSTA), I myself may be involved in politics at some time in the future, I will (and only if my political campaign is successful !) thus will no longer be suitable to represent a neutral and apolitical face for ICCR, any members residing in Penang can contact me for details on taking over the responsibilities of the Penang ICCR Chapter. Captain KS Neo remains the Singapore ICCR Chapter Ambassador until he retires or is displaced in an election.

Participants in Rotary Clubs and Freemasons Societies, victims of cultural subversion under guise of philanthropy?

(POST 1) Tian-Er
GENERAL DISCUSSION POSTING
Excerpts on somewhat controversial conversation about Caucasian originated societies and the true intentions of their presence. Enjoy and comment if any.

(PREMISE concurrent with ICCR views)
Rotary and Freemasons (also other Caucasian headed organisations) are the bane of US/UK/Europe and have caused the financial crisis in more ways than one.

(RESPONSE on view)
That sounds scarily like what the SS were saying about the jews….lots of prejudice in that statement, my man.

(PREMISE concurrent with ICCR views)
Ever heard of the NWO / Illuminati and the the Zionist lobby? Rotary and Freemasons are the entry point. So please do not corrupt the minds of readers here with such recommendations.

(RESPONSE)
I’m not trying to corrupt anyone, simply stating my viewpoint. What makes communism so much better?! I’ve actually been inside a masonic lodge and know lots of masons as friends. Sure I agree in the very inner circles even many Masons may not know what’s going on, but I don’t buy into the whole devil worshipper/NWO stuff…from what I saw it was all about brotherhood/helping the less fortunate fellow men along, and giving others a head start, donating to charities and so on….If the Catholic church sold off some of their assets to help others as much as the masons do, I’d be amazed….

(PREMISE concurrent with ICCR views)
Corrupt in the sense that organizations like these tend to destroy independence and autonomy in individuals rather than foster the same. Perhaps it was inadvertent? The highest powers of China would much prefer recommending that philanthropy be kept monopoly free, especially when the focal point or standard format of such clubs is hardly international and merely Caucasian headed or based on Caucasian culture (Anglo-Saxon-Scottish) !

And while communism is no better (being an invention of Russian’s Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels – not Chinese at all – everytime a Hammer and Sickle is seen you can’t imagine how it irks . . . ), Freemasonry and Rotarians are undesirable in a sense that they subsume the Chinese-ness of citizens, replacing it with loyalties to secret circles of Caucasians who likely dabble in Aramaic or Talmudic Occultism or outright Zionism, who knows as some would ahve it even Devil Worship ! I’d rather they worship our oft neglected Chinese Demons in that case and be sent to Chinese Hells than Aramaic ones !

(PREMISE concurrent with ICCR views)
It is necessary that Confucianism as a philosophy and Taoism as a religion should feature in any Chinese equivalent of Rotarians and Freemasons to not be subversive or culturally imperialistic in nature. The nature of ‘rites’ and ‘secrets’ and ‘brotherhoods’ must be Chinese and led by Chinese individuals at the end of it all.
Let Chinese characteristics headed by Chinese individuals be representative of the face of philanthropy and philantropical societies in China !

This I am sure should not bother anyone who is not a “Western Cultural Imperialist” or “Proselytiser of Monotheism” at heart, and we welcome all friends who understand and respect cultural boundaries as much we do and would like them to. All who love diversity via this ‘Paradigm of Awareness’ will make fine friends and allys worldwide . . .

Posted by : T.E. Yu

Reign in Zhongyuan – Emperor Elect – Appropriate Clan Name Holders Only

(POST 1) Choy
It takes a brave man and rather uncynical soul who would offer himself as Emperor Elect for his Imperial Clan and China’s prestige. This person must also be prepared to :

1) cooperate with China’s CCP government (believes in 1China, will not indulge splittists or associate with splittists, personal freedom of religion will however be respected)
2) has no great illusions of his permanency in ICCR in any claimed position (for stronger representatives of greater reputation will certainly subsume his claim in time)
3) yet is open minded, unselfish enough, suitable of stature, and willing enough to dedicate his life, sacrifice a degree of time (if no one greater appears on ICCR’s roster)

To head the ICCR in a respectable manner as Emperor-Elect even as it is expected that applicants should expect to give way to their betters should anyone more suitable wish to better represent a future Emperor.

Any individual wishing to represent a formerly titled Clan in the pro-tem Court or represent ICCR as a representative Consulate in their area have a respectful and cooperative attitude to the government of China as befits Confucian Etiquette. Pls. apply via msg or email as well, we will send appropriate member’s agreement-forms to you.

All direct involvement in any sphere except for cultural areas and support of the Imperial Princes Elect must be left untouched. We are not here to interfere with China’s government paradigm, we are here to lobby is as acceptable a manner for Constitutional Monarchy in China as possible. Being future courtiers and supporters of an Imperial Chinese Court, it is your duty to be in concurrence and aligned with the People’s Government’s stand on all issues. That is most important to ICCR’s success as a movement for obvious reasons.

Once again, thanks to all existing members who have supported us by joining or have made efforts at informing and popularising Constitutional Monarchy as well.
about 6 months ago

(POST 2) Choy
Any and all suitable members with the following surnames interested in representing the 6 Imperial Clans as Emperor Elect in the ICCR ‘Subsumptive Ascension System’ are advised to contact ICCR via the listed address for issuance-contribution of public address essay and photo before October 2010.

Ying (Qin Dynasty)
Liu (Han Dynasty)
Yang (Sui Dynasty)
Li (Tang Dynasty)
Zhao (Song Dynasty)
Zhu (Ming Dynasty)

N.B. : ICCR Gazette Vol.1 is required reading for participation, please do the necessary before submission of material relevant to the ICCR’s ‘Subsumptive Ascension System’.
about 4 months ago

(POST 2) Longzi
J’ai une question, maître.
Si quelqu’un trouve le Sceau Impérial de Chine (Gyokuji, en Japonais, j’ai oublier son nom en chinois), créé par les serviteurs de Qin Shi Huang-di et par Li Si… Qu’est-ce qu’on fait ?
La légende dit que celui qui s’emparera du Sceau règnera sur l’Empire et qu’il décidera du sort de la nation. Bien sur, il est perdu depuis l’époque de la dynastie Yuan, au moins, mais on ne sait jamais. Il refera peut être surface un jour. Je ne sais pas si cette superstition est toujours vivace en Chine, mais une chose est sûre, c’est le plus fameux de tous les sceaux.
C’est peut être une question stupide, mais il vaut mieux envisager tous les cas de figure.

I have a question, master.
If someone find the Imperial Sceal of China (is name in japanese is Gyokuji, but I forgot is name in Chinese), create by Qin Shi Huang-di and Li Si… What we will doing ?
The legend tell the man who found the Sceal will become Emperor and decide future of the land. The Imperial Sceal is lost since Yuan Dynasty, but… Maybe he will return to surface in the future. I don’t know if this superstition is allready actual in chinese population, but the Imperial Snceal of China is the most famous sceal ever.
Maybe it’s a stupide question, but it’s important to think about situations like that.
about 2 months ago

(POST 3) Choy
A legend even if carefully manufactured and millenia old must not be allowed to ignore the will of the people. Many a time did a Dynasty fall when the will of the people (today, the will of the People’s Republic of China) was challenged, not too different from the ancient tactic of writing and burying fake tablets of destiny or such to validate a reign. The will of the people matters most, do not subvert it for the glorification of oneself, or enforce it via relics and symbols for that would mean a false mandate . . .

Suggestion for a Pleasant Ending for Dalai Llama

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(POST 1) Choy
Tibet and Dalai Llama which have unfortunately shamed themselves with involvement with violent actions and association with certain hegemonist factions of certain Western powers to an irreconcilable extent – and would be best off in participation within ICCR’s movement as suggested below.

We advise the Dalai Llama to return to Tibet humbly, to publicly and of free will, renounce all ties with any disruptive foreign agencies he is working with, and in fullest sincerity surrender peacefully to the Chinese authorities.

This way, China could still be inclined to treat him humanely if he displays this courage to act in the best interests of ensuring continuance of the Royal Tibetan House Gyatso line under CCP overseeing his Theocratic rule from Potala Palace. With this, Dalai Llama could thus be recognized as a vassal House under the auspices of the Imperial Chinese Court Regency.

From what we understand though, the Royal House of Gyatso was not particularly popular and actually fell because the Tibetan peasantry revolted when the CCP liberated them. Please see the below site for more information.

http://www.rense.com/general81/faeeof.htm

Thus the CCP would even have to help ensure the safety of the Llama if the idea of a revived Tibetan Theocratic Court wasn’t popular enough ! Yet if the Dalai Llama has any inclination to keep his Theocratic Royal line alive, he had better do as advised above. Llama is after all getting on in years and really should consider putting all the unrest to a stop and taking a dignified and reconciliatory position for his own culture and bloodline during his twilight years.

It is love of culture and preservation of Royal and Imperial Houses of the Chinese Court that interests ICCR and prompts us to suggest this. Should Dalai Llama be inclined to follow our suggestion, all Chinese would certainly be happy to welcome him back to China with the appropriate privileges accorded to the Head of the Royal Gyatso House. May all ethnicities within China benefit from this suggestion towards peace and social sustainability.

All comments and suggestions welcome.
about 6 months ago

(POST 2) Jan
Jan just asking:

could china just give them a piece of land as big as nepal or bhutan to create their own country?

i dont think that DL wants to go back to china and renounce all the privilege and images he has in the west.
i think he will have more advantages if he stays in india and continue bashing china with the help of hollywood celebs
about 6 months ago

(POST 3) Choy
Choy I don’t think he would either. But this is as good an offer as I can suggest to meet the authorities in China’s Tibet province halfway. Also the perceived privileges he has in the West are for naught if he is unable to even reside in Potala Palace, to safeguard his culture.

By Varna concept nominally Buddhist as well, entertainers/menials/labourers (Shudra) are placed below traders (Vaishya), traders below warriors/kings (Kshatriya) and warriors/kings below priests/scholars (Brahmin).

Dalai Llama being the head of a Brahmin sect does not belong among Shudra Hollywood entertainers (wealthy or celebs or not, in the spiritual scheme of things they are lowest among Varnas) and if he imagines he is getting anything hiding behind such coarse minds who would indulge the Samsara for impermanent material profit, he is sadly mistaken.

Instead of courageously stepping forth to at worst house arrest at Potala Palace among his fellow priests, he is displaying the worst cowardice if at anytime compared to the fearlessness of Buddha Gautama’s chronicles. He would not fear to lose his life at the hands of the Chinese by the courage he displayed. It would create an outrage unheard of and China would be too wise to allow that. Yet the Llama does not dare take the righteous/fearless/Buddha-minded path as I suggest.

I don’t see any Western power giving anyone a piece of land the size of Nepal or Bhutan to set up their country in any time. Actually they are struggling to even maintain their much hated military bases in Okinawa, Japan and elsewhere in the world ! I do see alot of post colonial struggles for and against whatever side also. If everyone wanted to create a country because they were a head of a religion, the UN would need to seat tens of thousands.

Hope that the Bon Sect see this and advises the Llama. He certainly is setting no examples and making no critical decisions on his own these days, being among the wrong crowd. A spiritual man fears not death. And all I see is a man who would not dare walk the fearless path of a true Martyr nor displays spiritual confidence of a Boddhisattva beyond the physical shell and physical world. Fear, Politics and Hollywood just kills spirituality.

Again I say to the Llama, rest well, calm your mind, and on a Holy Day, walk alone with no protectors or mobs, unassisted, to the Lhasa Provincial CCP Authorities and ask to be allowed into the Potala Palace. The rest will play out just fine . . .
about 6 months ago

The Mandate of Heaven

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(POST 1) Hengu
Lets talk about the re-in statement of the Son of Heaven and his mandate. If he assumes the role of a constitutional monarch, he will then not create legislation but protect the legislature. My Question then is, hypothetically will he protect the legislature of say for instance the current Communist Party, and risk international criticism as a Communist Public Relations exercise? Will he intervene in human rights violations and criticize the state even if it is the elected choice of the people? I just don’t see the Son of Heaven re-instated under the current Chinese political dispensation, unless if he is restricted to a ceremonial position with a cultural mandate to protect and administer the Imperial Monuments of China. If he needs to be reinstated under a different dispensation, who ever the Emperor is going to be ‘Qing or Han’, he needs to take an active political stance and give voice to his peoples concerns and be involved in humanitarian relief efforts whenever natural disasters strike China and thereby give credibility to his claim and publication to his cause, at home and abroad. I don’t think he should take political sides but I do feel that the Emperor needs to believe in his mandate, more than anyone else, and take it to the people. It should be spread like a great fire, irrespective of the consequences. Nelson Mandela spend many years in prison for his peoples’ cause. If the Emperor truly feels such a strong conviction he must take action and win the hearts of his people.
about 7 months ago

(POST 2) Choy
To be viable and acceptable to the CCP, an Emperor must remain totally apolitical and only participate in representative and cultural events or at most an exemplar of moral virtue. It is correct, your view that the Son of Heaven can only be re-instated under the current Chinese political dispensation if restricted to a ceremonial position with only a cultural mandate to protect and administer the Imperial Monuments of China.

As of now, and likely several generations later, the case for constitutional Monarchy will not be permitted and not succeed IF the proposed Emperor or ICCR or other supporters show any propensity to interfere with the CCP’s authority. He would also before ascension, likely be under oath not to undertake such actions. Please also note, there will be no more talk of great fires, this is most counter-productive to the cause of Constitutional Monarchy and highly offensive to the CCP. Tone and nuance of language must take prevailing considerations into account if conversations are to be productive.

The Emperor will indeed be involved in humanitarian relief efforts whenever natural disasters strike China as most monarchs do. But giving voice to his people’s concerns will be at most, via private and personal edict to top CCP officials in an appropriate apolitical stance. Even when constitutional monarchy is endorsed by CCP, the Emperor’s duty, will only be to preserve the hearts of his people not win them, regardless of his personal conviction until generational shifts in thought paradigms within the CCP and it’s voter base occur.

As mentioned before, this group is not entertaining considerations of a 100% pureblood ethnic Mongol Yuan Khan or an 100% pureblood ethnic Manchu Qing Bannerman Chieftain, ONLY a 100% pureblood ethnic Han Chinese Emperor of the 6 Chinese Dynastic Clans will be suitable. ICCR does however advocate that a Mongol Khan and Qing Bannerman Chieftain be installed as representative vassal Royals in the Imperial Chinese Court in the appropriate provinces of Inner Mongolia and Manchuria.
about 7 months ago

(POST 3) Hengu
Indeed I see where you are going. I am pleased with your rational and logical approach to this issue you are clearly a man of wisdom and have given the matter much thought. I am not Chinese so I can not pretend to understand the complexity of the inter-cultural differences but I am a pragmatist and understand that if the Emperor is to be re-instated that such a move will need the endorsement of the majority of the population. The issue is sensitive and the process needs to be inclusive.

I have not meant anything derogatory with my reference to fires hehehe I was speaking hypothetically. I have great respect for the CCP and concur that, dialogue would be the only viable way. Violence and political unrest is certainly not an option, the Son of Heaven should be above such things. As I said those references where purely hypothetical and my apologies if they offended unintentionally.

I think a good way of handling the ‘mandate of heaven’ issue would be for the emperor to hand his seal to every newly elected head of the party, signifying that the party is entrusted with the duty to carry out the mandate, to protect the collective body of tradition and culture and to build on that. In this way the party (symbolically) has the trust of the Emperor (who represents the collective history and achievements of ancient China and its people) while at the same time the party officially recognizes the foundation laid by a proud and glorious history.

The Romans had a saying: ‘per praeteritum ad futurum’ which translates to: ‘through the past to the future.’ and Confucius said “Study the past and it will define the future.”

I just love this topic and hope with a burning desire to see a real restoration of such a beautiful History and Culture.
about 7 months ago

(POST 4) Choy
It is an issue of preservation of the spiritual purity and cultural diversity of the world that most Monarchists are driven by, and if your interests are purely along those lines and non-expansionary in nature, differences in ethnicity will make no difference (except for claimants of titles), for we would be working for the same purposes then.

How does the Royal Prussian House of Willemse? Has it formal ties to it’s suzerain, the Imperial Romanovs? How goes the Tsarist Revival in Russia? Well wishes for restoration of the Tsar and it’s vassal Royals too. Glad to have met you though and best of wishes to the PEACEFUL establishment of the vassal Royal House of Aisin Gioro via HRH Aisin Gioro Hengzhen in Manchuria as well.

Keep in touch.
about 6 months ago

(POST 5) Longzi
Que ça soit un descendant de la dernière dynastie chinoise ou un autre, peu importe, du moment qu’il est un homme de vertu et qu’il comprend en quoi consiste un Empereur (ce qui n’est pas le lot du commun des mortels). De toute façon, tous les chinois sont liés à l’Empereur Jaune, ils en sont les enfants.
Mais installé une monarchie constitutionnelle telle que l’on peut la voir au Japon ne servirait à rien, car il n’a aucun pouvoir en tant que chef d’état, alors que le propre de l’Empereur de Chine est la suprématie, en tant que Fils du Ciel. Il lui faut donc un minimum d’autorité.
Cependant, dans les faits, on peut considérer que le Président Chinois, ayant le Mandat du Ciel en sa possession, est dans les faits l’actuel Empereur de Chine. Après tout, son pouvoir est absolu, même s’il est limité dans la théorie. La preuve en est que le peuple a été envoyé à la mort par ce que Mao Zedong s’était trompé dans ses théories agricoles et industrielles. Mais spirituellement parlant, l’Empereur doit rendre un culte au Ciel et à la Terre, ce qui est vital pour la bonne marche de l’univers (selon les anciens), cette condition n’est pas remplie par le Président Chinois. Pas plus que le respect des traditions et des droits de l’homme… Même si ça vient tout doucement… apparemment.

Restaurer l’Empereur de Chine… on ne peut pas faire autrement. Cependant, je ne ferais pas le choix, pour ma part, des descendants de Puyi. Tant qu’à faire, un Han ou un Tang serait le meilleur choix, si on doit se fier uniquement au nom.
about 6 months ago

(POST 6) Choy
Here’s an approximate translate of Longzi Tran-Huu wrote :

Whether it’s a descendant of the last Chinese dynasty or another, regardless of the time he is a man of virtue and he understands what a Emperor (which is not the lot of ordinary ). Anyway, all Chinese are related to the Yellow Emperor, they are children.
But installed a constitutional monarchy as we can see in Japan would be pointless because it has no power as head of state, while the characteristic of the Emperor of China’s supremacy in as Son of Heaven. It is therefore a minimum of authority.

However, in practice, we can consider that the Chinese President, with the Mandate of Heaven in his possession, is in fact the current Emperor of China. After all, his power is absolute, even if limited in theory. The proof is that the people were sent to death by what Mao Zedong had erred in its agricultural and industrial theories. But spiritually speaking, the Emperor is to worship Heaven and Earth, which is vital for the proper functioning of the universe (according to the former), this condition is not fulfilled by the Chinese President. Just as respect for tradition and human rights … Even if it comes slowly … apparently.

Restore the Emperor of China … can not do otherwise. However, I would not choose for my part, descendants of Puyi. As well as do a Han or Tang would be the best choice, if we must rely solely on the name.

Reply to Mr.Longzi :

Some helpfully pertinent viewpoints are brought up here. Yes it certainly is a cultural matter for the Temple of Heaven has not been active for too long. Regards the figure head issue, the less politically linked, the better. The current political structure could do with further separation of powers to better preserve the prestige of the Head of State.

It is however not true in practice though, that we can consider that the Chinese President, the current Emperor of China. The President’s is a bureaucrat by nature, his reputation can be afflicted with political errors made by his lessers, he cannot not directly claim the Ruler’s representation within the “5 Confucian Relationships”, he may not be succeeded by his children without being accused of nepotism, and by that a President is mere shadow of what a Constitutional Monarch could represent to the China, though some bureaucrats have indeed performed beyond expectations and deserve the fullest respect of the citizens of the world. With these caveats upon the President, given the limited Primogeniture a President can claim, the Mandate of Heaven in not truly represented by the President of China as of now.

Do comment and counter if any thing needs to be pointed out, the more angles covered, the better we may present our petition at future CPPCCs. In either case, do signal your interest in formation of a Vietnamese Chapter, we will communicate the necessary to you on how to, all Chinese communities worldwide are welcome to participate in the ICCR’s movement towards a Constitutional Monarch in China.
about 6 months ago

(POST 7) Lonzi
Longzi Monsieur Choy Sl, je suis désolé que vous ayez eut à me traduire en anglais. Je n’ai d’ailleurs pas un très bon niveau, mais j’avais dans l’idée de traduire par la suite. Je vous remercie toutefois pour vôtre bienveillance. Aussi, puisque vous semblez mieux connaître le français que moi l’anglais, c’est dans cette langue qui est mienne que je vous répondrais (tout en essayant de traduire bien maladroitement, aussi, je compte sur vous pour me rattraper en cas d’erreur transformant le sens original du texte).

A propos des différences entre l’Empereur et le Président, vous avez raison, bien entendu. Mais au final, cela revient au même. Le Président règne en absolutiste et il a tous les pouvoirs nécessaires pour faire ce qu’il veut de son pays. La Chine est commandée par un parti unique, aussi le Président peut choisir son successeur et manipuler l’opinion publique pour obtenir son soutien, puisqu’il dirige le Parti Unique. Tout comme un Empereur, il n’a pas besoin de posséder tout le pays (c’est beaucoup pour un seul homme, ou même un demi-dieu), mais il peut en faire ce qu’il veut.

Par exemple, les expulsions forcées, les interventions sur la place sacrée de Tian’an men (où l’état n’a pas le droit d’intervenir, en théorie) ou encore les scandales d’enlèvements et trafics d’enfants, sur lesquels la police refuse d’enquêter bien souvent. Tout cela découle de la volonté du Président.

Pour moi, le Président est comme un Empereur qui est sur le pont de perdre le Mandat du Ciel (et le PC Chinois est comme sa cour et sa dynastie). De toute façon, de nos jours encore, la Chine s’appelle elle-même l’Empire du Milieu et la dessinatrice Feimo est une nostalgique notoire de l’Empire Tang. Un peu hypocrite et ironique, non ? Un Empereur mettrait de l’ordre dans tout ça, et il n’y a aucune raison pour laisser la Chine indéfiniment avec le statut de République, sous le prétexte que c’est un phénomène de mode international (il ne faut pas se leurrer, république ou non, l’Etat peut être aussi bienveillant que tyrannique, et la plupart des gouvernements modernes auraient des choses à apprendre de la part d’un sage comme Confucius).

Mao lui-même l’a dit : “Quand un Phénomène atteint sa plénitude, il se renverse en son contraire” (c’était au moment de “couper les mauvaises herbes”, c’est à dire les opposants au régime, si je me souviens bien). Cela s’applique aussi au régime communiste, qui a atteint le paroxysme de la tyrannie aveugle et brutale. C’est pourquoi, maintenant il se libéralise et s’adoucit un peu, mais reste très autoritaire, et pas très protecteur vis à vis de la population.

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Mister Choy Sl, I’m sorry you have to translate my text in english. I’m not verry good in english, but I wanted translate my text

About differences between Emperor and President of China, you are right, of course. But, finaly, it’s the same. President have all power who he need for rule all the land as he’s own will. China is rule by only one faction, so the President, whose rule this faction, can choose his successor and manipulate people for choose his successor. Like the Emperor, he don’t need possess all the land, but he can do what he want with it.

For exemple, deporting people and destroy their home ; military and political intervention on Tian’an men, kidnapping of children, about chinses police refuse to carry out investigations, and many others. All these exemples are from the President’s will and leaders of communism (who are like his Imperial Court).

For me, Chinese President it’s like an Emperor who nearly lost the Mandate of Heaven. Hu Jin Tao or Mao Zedong are nof very different of the Empress Wu Zetian.

Mao Zedong said : “When phenomenon is fullness, it’s become his own contrary.” For the Comunism it’s the same thing, it arrive to the fullness of blindness brutality and tyranny. But now, he become more gentle. Just a little more.
about 6 months ago

(POST 8) Choy
” A president has all power who he need for rule all the land as he’s own will. “

True to a point. But this ‘direct method’ is Western in nature, hardly represents the psyche of the East Asian, and to a degree, also the Central Asian nature. We need a subtler (also Humanistic) force behind the Bureaucrat, WITH the missing subtle elements of Imperial power as earlier described. A bridge between the Earthly and Celestial as it were.

Wu Zetian is a good analogy to a degree but a warning as well. She most certainly did not hold the mandate of heaven. Weak willed Emperor Taizong was the last holder of the Mandate of Heaven . . . there should have been a strongly upheld Court Prohibition for new Emperors to take on concubines of former Emperors. This ethically questionable and very unhealthy situation likely offended some principled deity and caused the fall of the Tang Dynasty.

Woman would be a virtuous and intelligent wives. Men would shoulder the heavy responsibilities of his family, his clan and his country. But when the Emperor’s responsibility is subsumed by a woman or in contemporary China’s case, a Bureaucrat, the Mandate of Heaven would be have no holder in effect. An Emperor is far less involved in mundane matters and is far much more than a President. Our Taoist Supreme Grandmasters of various sects, hearing and directing the spirit of the people, may not come under the auspices of a President, only an Emperor.

Back to the issue at hand though. A revival movement for an Imperial Chinese Court awaits the worthy to support it’s revival . . . do message me on this should you feel the call to take upon this lifelong historical task.
about 6 months ago

(POST 9) Choy
To a post by : Longzi Tran-Huu (Posted on Wall March 17th 2010)

“”" One detail : “A hereditary monarch is likely to be a more competent head-of-state than is an elected president, because the former has been prepared, from childhood, to serve as such.”

I’m agree with this, but maybe a dynasty is not a good idea for China. I prefer Shun and Yao’s method, because nepotism is an horrible temptation for political men and a head-of-state. “”" by Longzi

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ICCR View :
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The system we propose is a collective of Imperial Houses which will best represent the Imperial Houses of all ages since Shun and Yao. Except as a figurehead with ceremonial and spiritual duties, privileges will be balanced with the below suggested limitations which specifically address nepotism and clearly define the duties of all Heads and Courtiers of the Imperial Chinese Court :

1) Non-participation of any grade of individual Noble and above, in military, political, big business and even charitable spheres. Participation in any other lower spheres are incongruous with the duties associated with Mandate of Heaven.

2) Imperial and Royal families will not be allowed to hold or use any personal assets and or will have their finances handled by an assigned entourage by Imperial Chinese Court Agency when traveling. The nature of asset viewed from those tied to the divine means nothing and exchange between Sovereigns and the mundane world must reflect this divinity.

3) Lodging throughout various restored Estates and Palaces in China, meals of appropriate quality for their stature will always be available.

4) Granting of private audiences and private travel in a non-official capacity under oversight of the Imperial Chinese Court Agency.
about 6 months ago

(POST 10) Longzi
1) The first condition clearly limit nepotism, but I’m not totaly agree espacialy about military and charitable spheres. We don’t know what will be exactly the future and really skills of imperial family members. For exemple, the prince-marshal of Trân dynasty of Vietnam, who was a genius and an amazing military leader.With his intervention in the high military and political spheres, the chinese Emperor, Qoubilai Khan, feiled to conquer Vietnam.

In the future, maybe a noble will born with amazing skills in a domain forbidden to him by these conditions. Actualy, people can choose their job. It will be damage to limit to scientist craft the Imperial family members, like in Japan.

I have another exemple. The Emperor Duy Tan (Prince Vinh San) of Vietnam, was a man really dignified to be the Son of Heaven. When he was a child, he was give the half of his private income of “piastre” (the money of this time) to the poor of the capital. Never a head-of-state sacrifice his part of greed as many as our beloved Emperor Duy Tan. It’s because he hadn’t any part of greed in himself. He just was a child. He had the generous and noble heart of Dishun and I think he conserved it when he become a man. And His Majesty Akihito of Japan give many of the Imperial family’s money to association too.

So, I think Imperial family’s members must conserve the right to give their money to charitable associations, discretly, for it don’t be a mod effect and a political interest whose not compatible with duties from Mandate of Heaven. But maybe, with an association specialy create for distribute donations of the Imperial Family and Imperial Court, could be a good mix whose can limit nepotism.
about 6 months ago

(POST 11) Choy
Choy Patronage must be tempered with a sense of propriety which is based on structure and prevention of conflict of interest as well. I’ll try not to sound like a modern Keeper of Rites, but I will describe abit of a very strict version of application to enhance the viability of an Imperial Chinese Court Revival here.

The military sphere prohibition is a nod of assent to the Confucian adage, “No good man becomes a soldier; you don’t use good iron to make nails.” Though military and tactical training, martial arts, stints in various units could be part of a young noble or young prince’s education, direct participation unless anonymous (new set of problems), might not be too healthy as it creates a sense of disparity among other career militarymen that could affect their performace for years to come. The privileged life a noble or princely participant in an ordinary unit will depart for after a short stint in service will certainly be demotivational to some soldiers and definately at the expense of sense of solidarity and uniformity any military strives for. Think deeply on this a moment. Carried forth to the modern world, this could result in a subtle form of Junta based on Court influence ! Iron and Jade do not mix ! Remember, while class and caste exist, Mankind’s equality is undeniable.

The charitable sphere prohibition suggested is to encourage philanthropy by not eclipsing the private sphere or private individual’s donations with Imperial patronage and prestige, for inevitably donations by the Court will be focused upon over all other donations, it is society’s nature and such counter-intuitive effects must not be neglected.

Rather, philanthrophy could encouraged by awarded with titles instead. The Court however should not be involved in handing over cheques or such actions. For a Sovereign cannot ethically foster love of nation by his distribution of wealth but rather through his presence fostering charity among the wealthy. Rather circumspect but the only entirely suitable way. Money is coarse in nature, and a divine Sovereign, is best not to be directly associated with material rewards, even in charity.

Carried too far, even sports associations end up being headed by princes and sportsmen or entertainers granted titles ! Care must be taken not to degrade the Imperial or Royal Court institution with laxity towards supposedly minor details as these. It is the centuries of neglect on such aspects (like marrying commoners, accepting foreign wives or worse, husbands) that dilute the Imperial institution and make it open to criticism.

I for one have seen first hand how this form of direct patronage has affected the philanthropy scene in another nation with Constitutional Monarchy, and would like to prevent the culture of patronage which puts many philanthropists off because those who are motivated by recognition will find that the presence of the Court makes this difficult for private donors to fully benefit from !

Frankly, even in academic institutions or special interest associations, presence of nobility and princes could also be considered conflict of interest situations as well, unless the nobleman or prince in question is directly involved and exceptional in the field in question. Otherwise they would be better off not competing with the influence of career academics or special interest moguls. At best, the Court may signaling their approval/involvement/interest by dispensation of titles to the Heads of such institutions only !

Exceptions can be made of course, but the more exceptions to the rule, the less structured and disciplined a nation becomes, until finally when Court is involved in all aspects of society, redundancy sets in, and that is something far too many monarchs in the past have indulged – the disenfranchisement of specific segments of society, and endangerment of the Court institution with Commonality.

Any thoughts on the above?
about 6 months ago

(POST 12) Longzi
“Pendant longtemps, j’ai associé vôtre nom au Tonnerre. C’est un grand honneur de vous rencontrer enfin.” Liu Bei, s’adressant à “Sourcils Blancs”.

Vous avez raison, bien sur, et vos mesures de précautions permettent de préserver le prestige impérial et la stature divine de l’Empereur. Toutefois, j’estime qu’un bon Empereur doit être au contact de son peuple et de ses soucis. C’est pourquoi lors des changements de dynasties, le Fils du Ciel n’apparaissait pas à la Cour, mais parmi des petits nobles où des familles de guerriers.

Mais, en tant que stratège militaire et artiste martial, j’affirme sans crainte ni doute que c’est à la fois un droit et un devoir pour tous de défendre sa nation par la force des armes s’il le faut ! Confucius lui-même disait que les armes sont le pion du vulgaire siao-jen, pas celui de l’homme de vertu, le junzi. Mais il admettait que la Guerre est le premier recours de l’homme aspirant à la Paix.
Si le Jade et l’Acier ne se mélangent pas, il existe toutefois le Jade Blanc des guerriers, béni par Byakko, le Tigre Blanc. Or, le Tigre Blanc existe aussi sur le drapeau que nous avons érigés en avatar pour ce groupe !
Dans d’autres pays où il y a une monarchie constitutionnelle, il y a aussi des princes et des nobles militaires, la Grande-Bretagne par exemple, et cela marche très bien. En outre, c’est une vérité historique : la noblesse militaire est souvent moins hypocrite et diletante que l’aristocratie composée de courtisans. De plus, l’armée est un devoir historique de la noblesse : nous aurons à cet égard une pensée pour Sun Jian ou Cao Cao, voire pour Liu Bei, l’oncle de l’Empereur, et par conséquent un Prince, même s’il était déchu, tout comme moi.

C’est pourquoi je demande que la carrière militaire ne soit pas complètement fermée aux membres de la famille impériale.

“For many years, I associated your name with thunder. It’s a great honor to meet you.” -Liu Bei to “White Eyebrow”.

You’re right of course, your precautions are worth for preserve the Imperial Prestige. But a good Emperor must be in contact with his people and their anxiety. That’s why, in Past, at change of dynasty, the new Son of Heaven didn’t from Iperial Court, but appears in ordinary people or nobles and warriors’ family. But at military strategist and martial artist, I think it’s the right and dutie for a man to protect his land and country, with weapons if he have no choice ! Confucius said army and weapons are pawns of the lesser men, of siao jen and never the pawns of Junzi, Gentlemen. But he admit the War is the first pawn for a man who aspire to Peace.
Jade and iron don’t mix. But the imperial white jade of Byakko, the White Tiger, exist. And Byakko is in our avatar, the flag of our group, the Imperial Flag !

In another monarchs countries like Great-Bretain, they are princes and military nobles too and it’s not a problem. Army is an historical duty for nobles ! And a military noble is less hypocrtical than a noble courtier, it’s an historical truth ! Army his an historical Duty for men with nobility tier !

That’s why I request military career not be wompletely close to Imperial Nobles, Princes and future Emperor include. Are you agree, the 33 others members of his group ?
about 6 months ago

(POST 13) Choy
“That’s why, in Past, at change of dynasty, the new Son of Heaven didn’t from Imperial Court, but appears in ordinary people or nobles and warriors’ family.”

Many reasons actually caused downfalls of various dynasties, and alot stemmed from a far too direct approach, such as being involved in politics, economy, having the power to promote or appoint military leaders who were often related, (instead of meritocracy based appointments or promotions) and influencing society to the point, innovation ceased and every citizen looked to the Court for direction instead of directing themselves ! What some may view as contact with the people could be immensely counter productive if the Court tends to omni-presence . . .

“And a military noble is less hypocritical than a noble courtier, it’s an historical truth ! Army his an historical Duty for men with nobility tier !”

Ah, we can’t help the popular ‘hypocritical’ stereotype thrown about to create familiarity but we, at least those who are serious about Imperial revival had better not be amenable to or perpetuate it! If you do order the ICCR Gazette, take a look at page 50 and see if you can appreciate how the Courtier’s ‘weakness’, is not too subtly singled out for reminding to our new courtiers.

“No good man becomes a soldier; you don’t use good iron to make nails.” was mentioned because the military and nobility must retain their individual natures to better ensure separation of powers which in fact will re-assure any anxious citizens. If the Court is all powerful, it will be subject to question on it’s desire to hold so much power. The Court must not be placed in such an ethically indefensible and absolutist tempting position. While the Emperor himself is Supreme Commander of the forces, this again will be symbolic and not direct. This is for Constitutional Monarchy remember?

Confucius had made this point of difference between two distinct castes, so that we could apply it where possible, even if we do not subscribe to it, we musn’t disregard his wisdom ! If noble and military classes were fused together, these individuals would not only be far too busy to properly function in both capacities, and the civilian nature of court and courtier would subsumed by the ‘Iron Nature’ of the military class, to the confusion of society overall towards a more civilised ‘Jade Nature’. Specialization builds strength . . .

Recall my earlier post :

” . . . direct participation unless anonymous (new set of problems), might not be too healthy as it creates a sense of disparity among other career militarymen that could affect their performace for years to come. The privileged life a noble or princely participant in an ordinary unit will depart for after a short stint in service will certainly be demotivational to some soldiers and definitely at the expense of sense of solidarity and uniformity any military strives for.”

Think on this a moment. Carried forth to the modern world, this could result in a form of Junta, based on Court influence. Also any number of nobles could not make up a substantial fighting force in any modern military and would be better off not making the regular military ‘accommodate ‘ them.

Keep a dangerously cavalier attitude from being inculcated in nobles through dealings with those in ‘Iron Ways’, though gentry and even aristocrats could be certainly be promoted from exceptional and long serving within regular ranks of the military instead of dragging the nobility or princes down to the ranks of the ‘Iron Natured’ profession, unless they are particularly inclined to ‘Iron Ways’.

Alas, few are interested or dedicated enough to analyse discuss this issue at length but lets see how the others feel . . . as you replied, it will of course be better decided when more of our existing members choose to participate in this discussion or when active members join up to participate in this conversation to see who has made a better case. Look forward to any responses on this discussion meanwhile.